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RobPristine
02-02-2011, 11:11 AM
i thought this would make everyone cringe, this is what the construction rates web site offers as a suitable rate for general taping and jointing.

Generally Tape & Jointing; measured flat including
reveals and all internal & external angles >300mm 7.50pm2

maybe the site is based on contracts in the Mayfair region of London, or on cloud 9

http://www.constructionrates.co.uk/Rate_Gen/Dry.Lining@constructionrates.co.uk.html

amestaper
02-02-2011, 11:34 AM
Much as I dislike to piss on peoples parades, this is probably true rates that a QS will charge.
On two occasions I've been privvy to a QS rate of more than 6.50 a metre just for the taping, and the other I got to find out by accident due to a piece of paper a main contractor carelessly left lying at their arse.

It makes it all the more sad that some guys are working for less than a 1 a m2, earning not even 20% of the jobs true value.

I hate to be critical but many workers in the building trade dont have the backbone to say "Stick your job, I wont work for that." The vicious circle drives prices down while every other industry rams theirs up in line with inflation. This is plain madness, but so easy to sort the problem if everyone has the same attitude.

Straying away from the topic, but I for one think that document carries some authority. Some guys in the trade who are struggling on low wages just may refuse to, or be blinkered into believing this is not really happening.

RobPristine
02-02-2011, 11:55 AM
I think your spot on, if you look on the other rates on that site they are 100% correct. so someone is making that money and it aint the poor guy doing the work. I was recently sent over an email bill of quants by a main contractor and they had forgotten to take out their figures. they wanted me to spray 800m2 of bare block wall to a finish for 3.00pm2 however they were going in at 6.00pm2, making 100% profit on my work. for that they wanted me to spray the entire job with block filler and finish with a coloured eggshell, a fair rate for this would have been 4.50 - 4.75pm2, The main contractors seem to be better off in the "down turn" as they are still charging top rates while they are making the subbies drop their rates. their profits go up ours go down.

amestaper
02-02-2011, 12:16 PM
It's ignorance that has allowed this modern day slavery to happen my friend. Hopefully many tapers will read this and have their eyes opened. Its all an illusion created by greedy individuals who dont have our best interests at heart and are richer due to our failure to ask questions.

Prices are rocketing, and if you can tell me any other industry that has dropped their rates to 1990's prices (Margins were also much better due to materials and fuel costing much less remember) then I will cut one of my nipples off and mail it to you.

This site is as good a place as any to vent frustrations and ask difficult questions. Spread the word Sir.

RobPristine
02-02-2011, 03:22 PM
spray skimming here is another one, now i know that people are getting paid around 7.50 for this type of work as that's what i got for a recent contract but that includes taping & Jointing prior to application of spray plaster skim and primer surfacer. however you will see what the recommended rates are, i am not sure how current they are but they surely havent dropped that much. Also the prices they state are based on the taping being done by others. makes you think?.

Spray apply plaster system as per clause M60 - 199


USG / Sto / Alltek Spray Applied Plaster System, Prices, Plaster application using airless spraying /m2 Supply and Apply Specialist Applicators

General surface of plasterboard (taped and jointed by others) exceeding 300mm girth 18.44/m2 exceeding 300mm girth; in stair areas 22.10/m2

TonyM
02-02-2011, 04:23 PM
I put up 200 mtrs of coving in a new house as a clients 'extra' on a midas Homes site a couple of years ago. I charged the contractor 3 a metre. Midas were charging the client 8. Greedy fcukers.

happytaper
04-02-2011, 11:51 AM
All this shit about rates going back to prehistoric levels may be somewhat true but some large contractors are really takin the piss. My father is a recently retired q s and i often show him a job i need to price and the final figure he comes up with can be double mine. I recently put in a price for a large 3500 sq ft house inside and outside based on his advice (sand cement outside,sand cement then skim inside-antiquated method- mf ceilings on gf boarded on first floor) this house is up and down its like a castle lots of outside bands and detail, high ceilings. Another shower of fools priced job @ 120 euro per day x 3 men said would take 9 weeks to finish it worked out at half my price. Client is a personal friend of mine (wealthy guy) and thinks i am takin the piss. The lads will prob drag job out for 12 weeks and have guaranteed work but they are killing prices and dragging us all down. Price i put in is standard price any qs would reasonably charge how does the plastering of a million euro palace come in at less than 20 grand?
My point is that lads the main contractors are easily makin double off our rates. My father often sighs when i tell him what im working for. A lot of the time i agree with him and dont bother getting out of bed to work for those shit rates but you can only stay at home looking out the window for so long before money and patience run out. I repeatedly beg other tapers not to work for the terrible rates offered and if we all charged the same reasonable rates we would all make the same good money and share in the work that is out there. Unfortunately some guys in the trade are afraid to speak up,dont know what the value of their trade is or just too damn silly. A lot simply have to agree to work for those rates to put food on the table for their families - sad state of affairs...
As Amestaper says 'stick your job i wont work for that" and things might start to change but only if WE ALL say it.

amestaper
04-02-2011, 12:22 PM
Would you like me to change your username to damnangrytaper?
Good post. By way of education, you may just have made someones life a little more rewarding next time they measure a job.

I think unsustainable rates have been caused by fear of losing your job, and main contractors who accepted poor quality work from untrained shysters and imposters allowed this current situation to happen. Rob mentioned every other trades rates were on the button - are we dumb enough to think its just a typo or anomoly thats made a big impact on take home pay ---- Just for tapers? Something went wrong and I'd like to think all the members combined may be able to do something about it.

Running to stand still and busting your ass just to break even is crazy. The definition of insanity is making a mistake, not learning from it and doing the exact same thing over and over. I know firms who buy their work just to keep their staff busy.....:nono:
:sleeping: WAKE UP!!!!

RobPristine
04-02-2011, 01:55 PM
another question would be. is the taping or the painting the more difficult job? with emulsion material costs for mist + two coats of paint are between 0.45pm2 0.75pm2 depending what you use, and the commercial rate is between 3.25 & 4.50pm2 depending on where and what you are working on, so there isn't a lot of difference in material costs, and i would say that spraying or rollering a wall is the far easier job of the two from a manual labour point of view, so why are people being asked to tape and joint for less than 2.00pm2 in some places. doesn't make sense really, also if they are paying buttons then the chances are the job will be a two box instead of a three box and the finished wall will look crap anyway.Personally from my point of view, taping is a harder, more precise and time consuming job, (that's why i prefer spray painting) if the wall isn't finished to the highest of standards, the paint job will look crap anyway no matter what your putting on top. So if the painter gets 4pm2 the taper should get the same if not more..

DMC
04-02-2011, 03:33 PM
another question would be. is the taping or the painting the more difficult job? with emulsion material costs for mist + two coats of paint are between 0.45pm2 0.75pm2 depending what you use, and the commercial rate is between 3.25 & 4.50pm2 depending on where and what you are working on, so there isn't a lot of difference in material costs, and i would say that spraying or rollering a wall is the far easier job of the two from a manual labour point of view, so why are people being asked to tape and joint for less than 2.00pm2 in some places. doesn't make sense really, also if they are paying buttons then the chances are the job will be a two box instead of a three box and the finished wall will look crap anyway.Personally from my point of view, taping is a harder, more precise and time consuming job, (that's why i prefer spray painting) if the wall isn't finished to the highest of standards, the paint job will look crap anyway no matter what your putting on top. So if the painter gets 4pm2 the taper should get the same if not more..


I have just finished on a site today where the painters are getting on average 150-200 more per house than us tapers :censored: obviously we point this out often and loudly. The standard reply is that the painting is more skilled and if we dont like it there are plenty out there who will do it. As a painter myself i know that taping is the more demanding physically. but you cant paint a house till its taped, and taped properly.

Having phoned around and spoken to a lot of various trades and management no one can see a change for the better happening any time soon, house bashing is all but done, i for one now chase more decorating jobs in the private sector, not what i want to be doing but i am not giving those :censored: the joy of thinking they have won.

amestaper
04-02-2011, 04:40 PM
Keeping with the theme which has been fairly active, I thought a poll would be a good guage of what you reckon we should be charging.

This is not about what the rates are, but what the rates should be, including materials, for 3 coats and sanded with no snags or touch ups. I won't even offer the choice to highlight below 2.50 a metre as we are using our skills and experience we have taken years to learn to make some profit for ourselves, not other people. Arent we?

Dont sell yourself short so please forget the crazy building site prices, and votes are anonymous so let us know what you think you are worth. You're allowed 2 votes - Once for the square meterage in slots 1-7 and one for corner tapes/beads slots 8-10.

If these answers are as bad as I fear then I may consider working in B&Q soon.

E.K Taper
04-02-2011, 11:55 PM
I have just finished on a site today where the painters are getting on average 150-200 more per house than us tapers :censored: obviously we point this out often and loudly. The standard reply is that the painting is more skilled and if we dont like it there are plenty out there who will do it. As a painter myself i know that taping is the more demanding physically. but you cant paint a house till its taped, and taped properly.

Having phoned around and spoken to a lot of various trades and management no one can see a change for the better happening any time soon, house bashing is all but done, i for one now chase more decorating jobs in the private sector, not what i want to be doing but i am not giving those :censored: the joy of thinking they have won.
I see that too, DMC. Working for a subby on house bash sites, the painters prices are 150 - 200 more than tapers prices but the painter will take 5 shifts as opposed to the tapers 2 or 3 shifts so the taper still earns more in the week

RobPristine
05-02-2011, 11:45 AM
I dont really understand how the decorators can take so much longer, i guess its the type of job, on house builds the decs tend to use brush and roller on commercial they tend to use spray, we did a warehouse stud wall recently 1000m2, not being the best of tapers it took us four days to tape it and only two days to spray it. the spraying was done with two lads, the taping three lads, so which is the most labour intensive, its obvious, however the split in the original costing was that the spraying aspect got 4pm2 and the taping 2.80pm2, so to me it seems that the q.s thinks the spraying is the more expensive job in labour and materials when it obviously isn't. and like i said earlier, if the taper doesnt do the job right then the whole wall would look below par. If the decorator is provided with a good flat wall then its pretty difficult for the painter to mess it up.

On the other hand i also think that on all jobs the taper should be responsible for putting a primer coat on. My reason for this is that on many occassions we have sprayed over joints which haven't been filled enough or sanded properly, you can only see the imperfections when they are highlighted by the primer coat, by that time the taper has left site and the painter is left with a nightmare. so the job should be tape, joint and prime, fix any imperfections, by the taper, then a couple of coats on top by the painter. job done and each trade should be paid 4.50pm2 each. therefore a finished wall from bare board should cost 9pm2, we would all know where we stood then, it would be easy

amestaper
07-02-2011, 10:03 AM
C'mon lads. You were supposed to post a vote for metre rates and beads so some smart arse could work out ballpark average price when this vote came to a close.

We're 8 votes short and I could find out who didn't click twice. Send me a PM so I can add it for you.

RobPristine
07-02-2011, 10:53 AM
unfortunately the fact that there are people desperate for the work will always dictate the prices at the end of the day and the main contractors know that people need to put food on the table, consequently the rates will never be standard, its going to be whatever people are prepared to work for. the price will only change when there is more work and everyone is busy. then they will pay extra to make sure they get the job done.

E.K Taper
09-02-2011, 09:13 AM
I dont really understand how the decorators can take so much longer,

On house builds, the painter has a lot of woodwork to do, which adds time

DMC
09-02-2011, 01:48 PM
Had enough and walked of a site today. Did this particular house type last year, the price was 930, not great but you could make a few on it, loaded up this morning only to be told that they had to re jig there prices to be competitive and it was 785 take it or leave it. told them what i thought of them,there firm,there houses and walked :censored: if this is an example of how the trade is going to be going we may all be well and truly Fcked.

E.K Taper
09-02-2011, 08:57 PM
Thats a tough 1 to take mate but i take my hat off to you. If more people were prepared to walk then maybe these parasites would get the message. Hope you got somethin else lined up though

amestaper
09-02-2011, 09:08 PM
Thats a 15.5% drop in wages and I'd have done the same thing. Good for you and hope you find something else. Hows about letting us know who it was in the private members area behind the password protection?
Weve got a thread there specifically to warn other members about rogue traders and dodgy people.

E.K Taper
09-02-2011, 09:14 PM
Aye good idea, we're in the same neck o the woods so let us know who they are lol

scottishlad2k10
20-02-2011, 07:42 PM
On house builds, the painter has a lot of woodwork to do, which adds time


we take alot longer as e.k said theres many things woodwork...... your talking 2 - 3 coats either varnish or gloss if its gloss ...... coat over all knots and cracks etc with knotton coat of undercoat(or primer if preferd) fill nail holes sand the whole lot....... 2nd coat of undercoat sand the whole lot......... caulk the gaps in skirtings facings etc then finish coat....... and your talking 8 - 16 hours between coats to allow the paints to cure properly depending upon the heat etc.......

then you have all the rooms to paint...... walls ceilings etc........ then probably snagging...... which means filling waiting on fillers drying and so on......

where as taping...... your in there you blitz the place you sand it and leave......

you guys are just taping more aless roughing out the rooms............. us painters on the other hand have to get a professional finish on the rooms etc :)

alot more required with the painting.

amestaper
08-03-2011, 12:50 PM
10 members never used their second votes. Send them over by PM and I can add them.
Remember these figures are what you think youre worth, not how much youre getting .

scottishlad2k10
08-03-2011, 04:39 PM
10 members never used their second votes. Send them over by PM and I can add them.
Remember these figures are what you think youre worth, not how much youre getting .


this is weird " per m2 " how can you price a taping job by the "m2"? wouldnt it just be by the meter? as you dont usually skim a m2....... unless your on an old shitty house like the one im doing atm where all walls and ceilings are getting totally skimmed.

amestaper
08-03-2011, 06:34 PM
this is weird " per m2 " how can you price a taping job by the "m2"? wouldnt it just be by the meter? as you dont usually skim a m2....... unless your on an old shitty house like the one im doing atm where all walls and ceilings are getting totally skimmed.

Whats weird about it? Ive been taping for 18 years and learned this from guys with 20 years more experience. Square metre (or foot for guys in North America) or a paid hourly rate is all I know.

scottishlad2k10
08-03-2011, 06:37 PM
i just found it quite odd lol........ as tapes are meters long or heigh etc and pricing by m2.....

amestaper
08-03-2011, 06:43 PM
I dont argue. Its just happens to be a universal method that everyone and everything from a plan, bill of quantities, QS, contractors and subbies understand. I did work once on an hourly rate for a stone age firm that based their prices on how many rolls of paper tape were used. I never did get my head around it or agree with them very often either.... so the working relationship was rather short.

DMC
08-03-2011, 06:46 PM
I would have thought the vast majority of us price jobs by the M2, always worked out ok for me. :fing02:

crack filler
08-03-2011, 06:48 PM
Always m2 for me too unless Ive got a linear price for the angles

TonyM
08-03-2011, 06:54 PM
i just found it quite odd lol........ as tapes are meters long or heigh etc and pricing by m2.....

Did you not learn about Area at school?

scottishlad2k10
08-03-2011, 08:34 PM
Did you not learn about Area at school?


i did aye but schools well out of the head now...... just weird how its priced by the m2....... when your technically not taping every square meter of board..... unless you take into accound screws and nails......

just thought m2 is more of a like tiling and painting thing........ if you know what i mean? just sounded odd....... i thought by the meter is how its done but im not sure havnt really done any pricing other than 2 small homers rest is done by the big boss man.

crack filler
08-03-2011, 08:49 PM
That's fair enough still learning. Nails screws all have to be looked after as you know so I personally want to get paid for them, same as any nicks, gouges or faults the whole board is our responsibility

scottishlad2k10
08-03-2011, 08:51 PM
yeah i know what you mean like =] whats the typical rate per m2?

matt
08-03-2011, 09:09 PM
whats the typical rate per m2?
oh dear

scottishlad2k10
08-03-2011, 09:22 PM
oh dear


.........................?

scottishlad2k10
08-03-2011, 09:37 PM
i was asking because this guy from essex has said
"On most jobs the tapeing will be done by the same firm that fixes the boards but not usually by the same person that did the tacking. If there's enough metreage to do on a price I would expect to pay between 1.20 - 1.50 m2. although with things being tight it might be lower still."

1.20 to 1.50 per m2............. the other dude then said "well its 100m2" so in otherwords.............. 120 - 150....... dosnt seem right?

crack filler
08-03-2011, 09:55 PM
You are looking between 2 and 3 whatever you can get

E.K Taper
08-03-2011, 09:58 PM
If you use the search facility on here you will find threads on prices per m2 mate. Between 3 and 4 seems to be the general rate per m2 but every job can differ, depending on the client etc. And thats supplying too. If your material is getting supplied for you then expect the rate to plummet

Brian S
08-03-2011, 10:03 PM
Last I heard a man from Exeter was paying 1.35 supply and fit, so 1.00 to 1.50 seems to be about average for site work, it ain't right though, somebodys making some good money out of these poor sods

E.K Taper
08-03-2011, 10:21 PM
yes I find that seems to be the general rate for house bashing in the Glasgow/ West of Scotland area and you're right ,someone IS making good money out of it. Not us though

crack filler
09-03-2011, 07:25 AM
Last I heard a man from Exeter was paying 1.35 supply and fit, so 1.00 to 1.50 seems to be about average for site work, it ain't right though, somebodys making some good money out of these poor sods

oh dear really trying to avoid ringing him but might have to just to keep the pennies coming in, it will feel like I,m selling my soul.

turrican_007
09-03-2011, 07:44 AM
I would price the work from the volume, i would not expect to get the same rates for a single private house as i would for 20,000m2 thats just common sense.

TonyM
09-03-2011, 04:53 PM
oh dear really trying to avoid ringing him but might have to just to keep the pennies coming in, it will feel like I,m selling my soul.

Chippy is paying 2 mate. F**k MJS

ducatster
12-03-2011, 06:24 PM
hi guys well here in kent most of the drylining/plastering companies are only paying around the 1.60 mark on house bashing & thats supply & fix!! so not good around here at the moment & I cant see it getting any better for quite some time if ever!

I'm currently working on the olympic park in london & getting 1.80 labour only & its paper tape only, no sticky scrim there! oh & thats including drywall primer too!...lol
Its got us through the winter with non stop work though so its not all bad

TonyM
12-03-2011, 06:31 PM
hi guys well here in kent most of the drylining/plastering companies are only paying around the 1.60 mark on house bashing & thats supply & fix!! so not good around here at the moment & I cant see it getting any better for quite some time if ever!

I'm currently working on the olympic park in london & getting 1.80 labour only & its paper tape only, no sticky scrim there! oh & thats including drywall primer too!...lol
Its got us through the winter with non stop work though so its not all bad

I see there are adverts 2-3 times a week on Gumtree for tapers at the Olympic site. I suppose if you machine tape and there were lots of metres available you could do ok. I bet H&S costs you a few metres a week though.

ducatster
12-03-2011, 06:48 PM
hi tony yup you know your stuff alright machine jointing is the only way but you'd be supprised the amount of people having a go by hand though & it cant be easy when the ceilings are 2.6 high & the only thing your aloud to stand on is a 600 by 600 hopup or a stupid 600 by 600 podium tower on wheels that you have to have the brakes on & gate closed so you wouldnt get very far without having to move & there's no tower surfing with your mate pushing you along either!...haha

scottishlad2k10
12-03-2011, 08:54 PM
hi tony yup you know your stuff alright machine jointing is the only way but you'd be supprised the amount of people having a go by hand though & it cant be easy when the ceilings are 2.6 high & the only thing your aloud to stand on is a 600 by 600 hopup or a stupid 600 by 600 podium tower on wheels that you have to have the brakes on & gate closed so you wouldnt get very far without having to move & there's no tower surfing with your mate pushing you along either!...haha

thats why you buy stilts =] you get away with wearing them so the h&s officer told us anyway?

ducatster
12-03-2011, 09:14 PM
thats why you buy stilts =] you get away with wearing them so the h&s officer told us anyway?

I have stilts & have used them for years when using scrim & filler which is what I prefer doing as you can work on less area but honestly mate you wouldnt even get em in the gate!..haha
only things you can stand on is the 2 things I've just mentioned , the latest thing is no proper stanley knives for fixers just retractable ones from toys R us but to get around this the company I'm subin for has just brought some nice expensive kevlar gloves to wear which are useless as they are slippery!...lol...by the way bovis are running the whole site so it should filter down to house bashing shortly!!

TonyM
12-03-2011, 09:16 PM
thats why you buy stilts =] you get away with wearing them so the h&s officer told us anyway?

Some site agents will try and tell you that the HSE banned stilts, but this is not true. It is up to the main contractor. If they don't want stilts, you can't use them. I did a job for Interserve a few yrs back and it is their company policy not to allow contractors to use those aluminium hop ups. How crazy is that?

scottishlad2k10
12-03-2011, 09:28 PM
I have stilts & have used them for years when using scrim & filler which is what I prefer doing as you can work on less area but honestly mate you wouldnt even get em in the gate!..haha
only things you can stand on is the 2 things I've just mentioned , the latest thing is no proper stanley knives for fixers just retractable ones from toys R us but to get around this the company I'm subin for has just brought some nice expensive kevlar gloves to wear which are useless as they are slippery!...lol...by the way bovis are running the whole site so it should filter down to house bashing shortly!!


that sucks lol never tried a banjo? it would be spoton for your paper tapes?

ducatster
12-03-2011, 09:29 PM
when I started this job 25 years ago you had to make your own hop up out of a 6ft scaffold board & a few leingths of 4 be 1 & no body I know has ever done them self an injury on one but the problems all came when they banned those & made you use a short ally one so that you are constantly over stretching & most are not made for every day use so fall apart pretty easy, I bet the accident rate has shot up since wooden ones were banned & now they are seen to be dangerous!!

scottishlad2k10
12-03-2011, 09:31 PM
Some site agents will try and tell you that the HSE banned stilts, but this is not true. It is up to the main contractor. If they don't want stilts, you can't use them. I did a job for Interserve a few yrs back and it is their company policy not to allow contractors to use those aluminium hop ups. How crazy is that?

h&s are going totally mental like. you still see contractors here using wooden scaffolds lol i always use my promix filler tubs as they are far easier to move around than stepladder. also use 2 or more and put battons on top for a platform =] but then i work for a smallish building company who never see h&s so lifes good :D not any real accidents other than a joiner fell off the scaffolding and landed on the ledger and broke his wrist last week but the guys stupid.

scottishlad2k10
12-03-2011, 09:33 PM
when I started this job 25 years ago you had to make your own hop up out of a 6ft scaffold board & a few leingths of 4 be 1 & no body I know has ever done them self an injury on one but the problems all came when they banned those & made you use a short ally one so that you are constantly over stretching & most are not made for every day use so fall apart pretty easy, I bet the accident rate has shot up since wooden ones were banned & now they are seen to be dangerous!!


well yeah as i said there the joiner fell off the scaffold from 8ft up and landed on the ledger. the most solid cross piece on the scaffold that the boards sit on. if his handhadnt went to his forehead as he fell his head would have been burst open hardhat fell off in midair...... if it had been wooden he would have landed on grass and peat soft landing lol

ducatster
12-03-2011, 09:36 PM
that sucks lol never tried a banjo? it would be spoton for your paper tapes?

a banjo would be no use unless you were 7 ft tall the bazooka (or auto taper) is the only way , we use a long handled broad knife on a 3ft length of 2" waste pipe to bed the tapes in then 7" box the next day

scottishlad2k10
12-03-2011, 09:38 PM
a banjo would be no use unless you were 7 ft tall the bazooka (or auto taper) is the only way , we use a long handled broad knife on a 3ft length of 2" waste pipe to bed the tapes in then 7" box the next day

i just thought when i seen in an erlier comment that people tried hand taping the papers. suppose on the flats if they had the speed taper and the bucket belt they could but that seems like alot of work looks well messy anyway

ducatster
12-03-2011, 09:52 PM
actually there is one guy with that better than ever bucket system & it works really well but you cant use it from floor level but if you were allowad to wear stilts it would be the next best thing & its not that messy well compared to the bazooker its pretty clean because some of the long ceiling joints im doing are about 12 meters long & by the time I get to cut the tape it sounds like its raining inside!

scottishlad2k10
12-03-2011, 10:16 PM
lol sounds like fun! banjo would be good with stilts aswell. as you can do corners with some of them aswell =]

mik mpd
13-03-2011, 07:38 PM
Some site agents will try and tell you that the HSE banned stilts, but this is not true. It is up to the main contractor. If they don't want stilts, you can't use them. I did a job for Interserve a few yrs back and it is their company policy not to allow contractors to use those aluminium hop ups. How crazy is that?

I've had this conversation (argument) with loads of foreman, when they see you get the stilts out the van straight away they say they're banned, i spoke to a health and safety inspector on one job i was on and he confirmed that stilts and step ladders aren't actually banned as long as you have them in your risk assessment and method statement. It's all just down to these idiots that are scared of their own shadow and just put everything down to health and safety to cover their arses! They just seem determined to make work a misery and as hard as possible, job im on at the minute make you wear gloves, hat, glasses, hi vis the works!! nightmare!!
I think a big problem on the bigger sites is that the main contractors are all just management companies these days and just work from bits of paper, half of them havent actually worked on a site just come straight from uni!! They just sub everything out at shit prices and dont actually employ their own skilled labour.

scottishlad2k10
13-03-2011, 07:43 PM
I've had this conversation (argument) with loads of foreman, when they see you get the stilts out the van straight away they say they're banned, i spoke to a health and safety inspector on one job i was on and he confirmed that stilts and step ladders aren't actually banned as long as you have them in your risk assessment and method statement. It's all just down to these idiots that are scared of their own shadow and just put everything down to health and safety to cover their arses! They just seem determined to make work a misery and as hard as possible, job im on at the minute make you wear gloves, hat, glasses, hi vis the works!! nightmare!!
I think a big problem on the bigger sites is that the main contractors are all just management companies these days and just work from bits of paper, half of them havent actually worked on a site just come straight from uni!! They just sub everything out at shit prices and dont actually employ their own skilled labour.

ah i remember that when i was with a painting company hard hats on all the time gloves........ hi viz jackets steely boots the lot you cant work in that gear in the summer its just far too hot! however it was funny pouring the blue chalk from the chalk line into boys hard hats then them wearing them swetting buckets and the chalk runnin down their faces.

H&S is taking it too far next we`ll all need sky hooks. haha

glad i dont do big jobs like that anymore its all more time consuming than using the filler tubs and battons as small scaffolds =]