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Goodmanatee
25-03-2010, 03:20 PM
Could anyone help me with, Industry standards for snagging?

crack filler
25-03-2010, 03:36 PM
I was always told in the light it was done in what you can see 1metre from wall not lights on nose against wall with halogen lights shining right across

sq ames taper
25-03-2010, 03:48 PM
Could anyone help me with, Industry standards for snaging?



i am back on the painting just now ( short term i hope ) had the site manager walking round my house about an inch from the walls with a copper pipe marking the slightest thing, tried explaining to him the conditions i was working in to paint the house ( no power, water wood missing etc ) he just looked at me as if i had horns, i was also told that they were meant to stand a metre away from walls but in my 13 years in the trade ive never came across any body who snaggs a house that way

happytaper
25-03-2010, 03:54 PM
not sure really but in this day and age you gotta satisfy every stupid notion that crosses their mind no matter how stupid otherwise when he takes out his cheque book thats when the fun will start!

the_legend
25-03-2010, 04:40 PM
Could anyone help me with, Industry standards for snaging?



depends how busy the agents are,,,right now you will be pulled for everything because houses arent selling,,,does not matter how good a job you leave at the moment itll never be good enough theve got to make sure they seem like there doing something for there money.when a house does sell you can bet the customer gets a better house now than the ones that were bought three years ago!!!wouldnt take it personal mate.....:fing02:

Goodmanatee
25-03-2010, 06:27 PM
I was always told in the light it was done in what you can see 1metre from wall not lights on nose against wall with halogen lights shining right across
Me too, but that doesn't stop them walking around with halogen lights. Is it writen down anywhere in some thing offical?

amestaper
25-03-2010, 07:44 PM
There is a pre defined spec on board finish that exists in the US dependent on what level of drywall finish your clients want and pays for. I think the Level 5 specifies no deviations or dings noticable with a 500 watt bulb at about 1 metre away from the wall.

Have a read at the 3 links below for more information.

http://www.nationalgypsum.com/resources/techtalk/revisiting.aspx
http://www.tapingandjointing.com/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=225
http://www.tapingandjointing.com/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=210

amestaper
25-03-2010, 08:24 PM
From a recent bill of quantities. http://www.tapingandjointing.com/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=226
Take note of sections 650 and 671 on page 10 in case you have any disputes. :)

and you should have an answer for every comment by a snidey cock with a halogen light. ;)




LEVEL OF DRY LINING ACROSS JOINTS

- Sudden irregularities : Not permitted

- Joint deviations : Measure from faces of adjacent boards using methods and straightedges (450 mm long with feet/pads) to BS 8212, clause 3.3.5.

- Tapered edge joints : Permissable deviation (maximum) across joints when measured with feet resting on boards : 3mm

- External angles : Permissable deviation (maximum) for both faces : 4mm

- Internal angles : Permissable deviation (maximum) for both faces : 5mm

TAPED SEAMLESS FINISH TO PLASTERBOARD

- Lightly sand cut edged of boards to remove paper burns

- Fill all joints, gaps and internal angles with joint compound and cover with continous lengths of tape, fully bedded. Reinforce external angles, stop ends, etc with the specified bead / corner tape.

- When set, cover the joint with compound, feathered out to give a flush, smooth, seamless surface.

- Spot nail / screw depressions with joint compound to give a flush surface.

- Fill minor indents. After joint, angle and spotting treatments have dried, lightly sand to remove any minor imperfections.

- Apply specified primer / sealer to give a continuous consistent texture to surface of boards.

turrican_007
26-03-2010, 07:08 AM
We did a 113 bedroom travelodge last year in Maidstone, and the painters were snagging with halogen lights across the walls. It was :censored: mental, you are suppose to snag at arms length in natural light.

crack filler
26-03-2010, 12:22 PM
some painters are a nightmare they seem to get on and pre fill any skimming but as soon as they get on taping they want an impossible finish

Deck
26-03-2010, 06:47 PM
some painters are a nightmare they seem to get on and pre fill any skimming but as soon as they get on taping they want an impossible finish

I for one do not touch bad plasterwork ie sand trowel marks fill misses etc. I will admit though if I have not done the taping then I tend to expect a finish that I would leave, but then again nobody is perfect-me included! Having said that if the taping in general is not that bad we would do the titivating.

Goodmanatee
27-03-2010, 12:50 PM
I for one do not touch bad plasterwork ie sand trowel marks fill misses etc. I will admit though if I have not done the taping then I tend to expect a finish that I would leave, but then again nobody is perfect-me included! Having said that if the taping in general is not that bad we would do the titivating.
Good man!

secret squirrel
09-05-2010, 12:13 PM
Could anyone help me with, Industry standards for snaging?

You need a copy of BS 8212-1995 Drylining & Partitioning using gypsum plasterboard.

http://www.tapingandjointing.com/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=275

If you need any advice then pm me as I have had many a battle with main contractors over this and won :)

2buck
04-12-2010, 02:46 AM
it should be 5 feet,or five paces toe to toe back from the wall,with a light shining on the wall,(halogen or 150 incandescent) but if you can make your work pass with a light shinning down the wall,then you will never fail that test.
ask that question on DT,goodmatee,but we don't call it snaging,,,,,,,curios:)

DMC
04-12-2010, 08:56 AM
The job i am on just now has a level of snagging i have never seen before. they expect the walls to be like glass,yet they dont snag the sheeting?????? As the houses are lying empty they keep going over and over them, the woodwork gets it as well,there will be facings and cills in these houses that will have had several coats by now.

Goodmanatee
04-12-2010, 04:05 PM
it should be 5 feet,or five paces toe to toe back from the wall,with a light shining on the wall,(halogen or 150 incandescent) but if you can make your work pass with a light shinning down the wall,then you will never fail that test.
ask that question on DT,goodmatee,but we don't call it snaging,,,,,,,curios:)

What do you call it then 2 buck? And I will ask the question.

TonyM
04-12-2010, 06:02 PM
I think they call it the punch list.

E.K Taper
04-12-2010, 08:21 PM
The job i am on just now has a level of snagging i have never seen before. they expect the walls to be like glass,yet they dont snag the sheeting?????? As the houses are lying empty they keep going over and over them, the woodwork gets it as well,there will be facings and cills in these houses that will have had several coats by now.
Persimmon by any chance? was on 1 of their sites for a couple of months there and every morning the painter was getting sent back into the same houses to touch up walls here there and everywhere. Agents trying to justify their money. I always thought it was 1 metre from the wall, no visible defects, now we have agents going round rooms like spiderman, feeling the walls all over!
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2buck
05-12-2010, 04:11 AM
I guess what your snaging is what we call touch ups,,,or maybe I'm lost here in the slang.your asking what type of standard is there for your work to pass before they can send you back to fix stuff.....right. (after they have primed the walls)
another thing I should add,amestaper posted it,the dry wall level,,,,level 4 is with a light shining AT the wall,if they start shining the light down the wall,and do close up eye inspections,then someone is looking for FREE level 5 work IMO.
plus;main goal of the taper is to hide the joints,fasteners, etc...with no taping errors,knicks and dings are not our baby

Goodmanatee
05-12-2010, 11:57 AM
Snagging, touch ups same difference.
Most the site agents are unaware of the level system, expecting a glass finish on everything.
Every manufacturer of drylining systems has different ways of apparoaching it, We need a industry standard that applies to everyone, everywhere!

DMC
05-12-2010, 04:30 PM
Persimmon by any chance? was on 1 of their sites for a couple of months there and every morning the painter was getting sent back into the same houses to touch up walls here there and everywhere. Agents trying to justify their money. I always thought it was 1 metre from the wall, no visible defects, now we have agents going round rooms like spiderman, feeling the walls all over!
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Taylor Wimpey. Nightmare job for the painters, not much better for us either. Considering the prices they pay they are getting a very good job for peanuts.

turktown taper
05-12-2010, 09:32 PM
ive just finished a job that was top coated & they are puting there face up to the board & looking down it & marking it up & they they go to the other end of the wall & do it again
never going to win with these people as they have to justify there wages !!
one word!! TOSSERS!!! :mad:

keco drywall taper
06-01-2011, 12:22 AM
i taped a flat many years ago, with standard 110v lights

we sanded the flat etc, too good standard

agent came in with a torch that big and bright it would have lit up the dartford tunnel.

anyway he spoted a few minor bits, said too me thts no on, i said ,well wee didnt tape rthe house with a massive bloody torch stuck too the wall, his reply get a torch, i said wit? then he said they sell them in B&Q . you know i just told him too pay me for what wee done ,and ill never do work for him again ,BQ SELL THEM ,AYERIGHT you cant win when agents are walking about wi a bloody massive torch

Mark'the'Taper
17-01-2011, 08:33 PM
20 years i have been taping and painting in new build sector and the boarding/sheeting has never been snagged on any job i have done, some contractors and builders allow 2 hours per house for pre-filling bad gaps in plasterboard which is great but some joiners/borders dont give a dam as they aren't the ones paying for it....especially as most builders employ sub-contractors. i have lost count of the amount of times i have seen painters blame tapers and tapers blame sheeters/boarders because some clerk of works has a pencil and halogen light standing nose to wall! if i am starting a new house i always check boarding before i start and point out faults to sheeter/boarder before i start, if they dont fix there mistakes then you have to inform site manager/agent again before you start...that way you are covered. i recently started using my mobile phone to photograph bad sheeting if the site agent was off site when i started. it comes down to standards in the end....if you follow a bad sheeter/boarder then you have to inform him straight away, it's better than going behind his back to the site agent as he will respect you more for approaching him first.....rant over folks.

Mudhead
27-01-2011, 08:27 PM
Hi....united brotherhood of tapers, mudheads/pigeon coupe cleaners etc....first post but been tapeing since 69.....have they brought out the kids right out of college yet just to WALK the job with their brand new boots on and their brand new hard hat just to create a punch list? Putting on their little stick on colored dots all over the wall yet? The longer the contractor keeps you out on the job the longer your money stays in their bank! Worse yet is when the dumb shits pull out an ink pen an start circleing on the wall. On a hospital which are all level 5; I actually caught a painter sanding off the touch up and painting back over it......the all time low! I had touched up in the early morning and came back in at night and found the dust on the carpet. That is how I caught the guy.....the stupintendent that I showed it to denied it....and this shit had been going on for weeks......I thought I had seen it all till this happened. For level 5 we always use scarey lights (halogen Lights) turned sideways shinning down/accross the walls to create shadows. Beat them before they beat you! I am state side but my dad is from Liverpool, so I am still trying to decipher the difference in tapeing terminology.

SJMMR
29-01-2011, 10:21 PM
On a job at the moment it is a part refurbishment, it is a new house about 6 years old, getting some walls moved here and there, the guy that was the site agent on it must have been blind, I have never seen filling and taping like it, some of externals look like they have just been put on edges everywhere lumps and bumps, the site agent had to be getting something from taper, I am sure you can see almost every joint, I am lost for words it is so bad, Steve