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studley
08-04-2010, 09:03 PM
I came across a advert today for painters req for an upcoming project where it was stipulated the the painter had to be experienced in tape and jointing, Itís not enough that there is hardly any work out there for us tapers that we now have to put up with painters taking our work, well my blood started to boil a bit as I looked at the ad and stewed over the thought of a painter with a £3.00 trowel and a tin pot sanding pole nicking work off real tapers. So after a little thought I decided to text the number and try to explain why itís better to have a taper to tape walls and a painter paint them(also to put my name forward just in case work came from it)to my surprise within mins of sending the text the phone rang, it wasnít really a great surprise because it was a great text.i then proceeded to have a chat with a lady(very hot sounding lady) and said she will definitely be calling back as she has loads of work starting very soon. Just thought I would share my little victory with you all. TAPERS TAPE WALLS PAINTERS PAINT THEM

TonyM
08-04-2010, 09:09 PM
Well done! I'm afraid I would have texted something quite rude and sarcastic to the advertiser as things like that really piss me off.

amestaper
08-04-2010, 09:13 PM
Just goes to show there are still opportunities for people who put some effort into creating them. They probably appreciated your direct approach. Nice one Studley

I plan to take the same approach with a job lead I have tomorrow so I will take some encouragement from your good result.

Deck
09-04-2010, 08:33 PM
No no no no, I totally disagree! I served my time as a painter & decorator and would consider myself as a taper as well. I would not hazard a guess as to what was required for this job but there are painters who can only paint and painters who can tape as well. There also painters who cant paint and "tapers" who cant tape!!!! Its true, I'm talking from personal experience! I have also met paperhangers who couldn't paper a dolls house!!!!!!!!!

the_legend
10-04-2010, 03:20 PM
most tapers i know started as painters and decorators,so i suppose some people would think they go hand in hand,same as most tapers fix boards,dot dab and a little plastering,then again i suppose it depends on how much taping needs done patching or a big area if it was the latter then get a taper but if its patching get a painter..

belmoreboy
10-04-2010, 07:20 PM
I think there is a big divide amonst, scotland and the rest of the uk.
Many of our Scottish customers are actually very large painting firms and after a couple of trade fiars in Glasgow have met many of you, that tape and paint and have done for years!

Very different in the rest of uk hardly ever see a taper that paints their own work, i actually find it strange and from a contracting angle have never really understood why all tapers don't price for the paint finish.

I know many of us can't stand painting but if work is short why don't we ask builders if we can price for taping all the way through to paint finish?

TonyM
10-04-2010, 07:25 PM
You need to clear your message inbox Marcus. Trying to PM you and it's full.

belmoreboy
10-04-2010, 07:30 PM
Tony
All cleared up did't realise how full it was!

have pm you me personal email address

phil
12-04-2010, 09:36 PM
i guess it depends on the painter as it does with the taper. My company is a paint spraying company, however we prefer to do our own taping. i would prefer not to, however the standard of taping on a lot of commercial jobs in england is awful, thats probably down to the crap rates they are paying the tapers. but my feeling is this: if your painting the walls yourself and you also do the taping, your going to make bloody sure that the taping is spot on and flat. we go into jobs all the time and the taping looks good however when you put your paint on it the joints are terrible. there isnt enough compound on the joints, they have used two boxes instead of three, on butt joints it gets even worse. Even when we are not paid to, we often spray some coompound over all the joints on the first day on site to flatten the joints out. i guess thats an advantage of having graco mark v's. we use a thin coat of something like toupret and put a twelve inch spray fan over the joints and then give it a light sand the next morning, on the butt joints we put a 24 inch spray coat over the joint. it works wonders and its so fast with a sprayer like a mark v. the reason we do this is to avoid snags due to the tapers work. thats also why i would advise people to use the specialist skim/coating finishes. they are just another part of the process to minimize snags. These coatings are so much better than standard emulsions as they build up the substrate. Level-6 contains a skim filler within the coating so the finished substrate really does look like its been skimmed and then painted . i was on a job the other week in a school painting the exterior and one of the painting contractors on the interior was using a product called Walls-In-One they told me its similar to USG Rediwall. they sprayed out the entire ground floor (around 2000m2) in two days and it looked like a painted skimmed finish, excellent. thats the way forward, then tapers who invest in a spray machine can double their money. its not a question of stealing the painters work, its a question of adapting to the market. a main contractor wants the same person to do the taping and painting, as if there is a snag he only has one call to make. it makes sense dont you think.

richie
13-04-2010, 01:40 PM
sound s you have got it right phil .i want to get into tapeing and away from plastering . i started out in the car finishing trade and the techniques are very similar but this was over ten years ago . finishing trades are not appreciated enough its to much rush rush rush :)

tapertam
13-04-2010, 10:23 PM
in dumfries most of the tapers i know are timeserved painters apart from 2 young ones that have just finished serving their time as tapers but it is only if the taping work is in short supply that they paint their own work most have painters following them.