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    you will find that when contractors or clients see the time saving & speed of spray skimming and spray painting and the competitive price, they will go for it. a lot of people have issues with leaving a spray finish as the end result as they think that they will have a problem touching in or snagging, well the easy solution to that is to spray the wall, then have someone follow behid you with a short nap roller, back rollering the wall, this is so quick and it leaves the slight texture that a roller does thats what i did with the level-6, then you can touch it in without it flashing, a good sprayer and a labourer can quite easily spray finish 500m2 a day and back roll it once they get the hang of it. we tend to do most of our work in the evening after all the other trades are out of the way then you can just spray non-stop. they always tend to look suprised the next day when they see how much has been done.

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    Phil
    When you set out to do a level 6 finish when do you consider it time to return to site to spray the walls ?

    Would the decorator have done any work there at all. i'm thinking he would want to prime his wood work and caulk all the skirts door frames etc and do all this without touching the final decorated surface.
    Do you need to mask this wood off
    it sound a good way to go and i have done plenty of level 5 but find the work always gets damaged one way or another and to return and mask everything off is not viable. The difference being level 5 can be repaired with little disruption .

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    there are a number of primer activator coats on the american market, but definitely no such thing as level 6, sounds like they are working on capitalizing on USG's promotion of the level 5 6.00 p/ liter as opposed to 2, it would have to be pretty damn good

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    also you say the level 6 is dry rolled, i can understand that but you could never roll tuff hide assuming it is the same as sprayplast

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    hi there level-6 is not the same as tuff-hide and they are not playing off the USG name, ok The trade name for a wall that is taped and skimmed and primed, so the name level 6 is due to the fact that it is taped, skimmed primed and topcoated, when you walk away from the application its finished, you can leave it flat sprayed or you can back-roll it to leave a texture for easy touch ups, so basically it does in one application what a spray skim of mud, and a mist coat plus two top coats of emulsion will do, so look at it this way, it may be 6.00 but the speed of the job and the reduced labour means massive savings.

    tuff-hide is a primer, surfacer, its ok to leave as a finish on ceilings but is not a finish on walls, although i understand they offer a product called REDIWALL which is the same as level-6, there is another similar product called Walls-in-One, they are tough finish coats that can be washed and contain a light skim.

    its up to you really each to their own. however an example for you to ponder, i am spraying a taped dry wall which is 1350m2 starting tomorrow in widnes, i have priced 4.50pm2, they have changed the spec which was initially a mist coat and two top coats of dulux diamond matt, they are letting me use level-6, i will spray it in one coat, two men will complete the works in two days. I use a graco mark v with the hopper just fill it up with the coating and away ya go. so my extra costs are 250 for scissor lift and thats it. if i was using emulsion mist +2 it would take me three times as long to do the job, and a lot more paint. so does it sound betr now

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    ok, think of it this way, you have a bare plasterboard wall that has been jointed ready to be decorated, you put the first coat of emulsion on it soaks in, looks awful, you put a second coat on still looks patchy, then you need to put a third coat on and yeah it looks good. forget the m2 rates they say on the dulux tins it just work, i spray thousands of metres a year and the metre rates are based on putting the paint on like water its pathetic, you can get about 6m2 per litre per coat. even diamond mat looks grey until its got three coats on. so you can either keep plodding away spending loads of time and money on materials or you can spend a little more on the material but use less and spend a third of the time doing the job. for years i was working in the traditional way but then jumped in with a specialist coating and suddenly started seeing improved results and more profit. Asda for example have this new spec for painting their bulkheads its this really dark maroon colour all the decorators are complaining as they are getting 4pm2 and its taking them four, five or even six coats to get the required finish, really its mental, we were spraying the cladding and the contractor asked us to spray the bulkhead, we got the level-6 madup to the colour gave it two coats in the same night and it was finished. everyone was happy.

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