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    Hi.

    We got involved in a spec house about half-way through the build. We paid up for "Level 5" drywall throughout.

    Initially, it looked beautiful. The walls still look great, and most of the ceilings too. But in three rooms (the largest), the ceiling drywall started to fail very quickly (within a month or so).

    The drywall company said they could fix it, so they spent a week re-skimcoating the ceilings in those rooms. It looked worse when they were done (they said they were understaffed and put a relatively inexperienced person on the job).

    The main drywall guy asked us to give them 10 months. He said after 10 months they'd come back and make us happy. Unfortunately, it seems like the story is changing now. Now they're saying they expect to do normal "warranty" work (fix any popped screws or cracks), but will not undertake a major rework of the ceilings in these rooms.

    So my question is, what do you think of these ceilings? Do they look anything like level-5 to you? Our position is, we paid for a level-5 finish which we didn't receive. We don't know why it failed, but it failed. So either the GC or the drywall company need to correct it. We need level-5 ceilings. Are we being unreasonable?

    Thanks for any suggestions you might have.

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    Im viewing these images on a phone but it looks like trowel skip marks from here. Surely these waves could have been sanded before painting? Are you using a matt or sheen paint?

    You have a point though, I would have issue with this too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amestaper View Post
    Im viewing these images on a phone but it looks like trowel skip marks from here. Surely these waves could have been sanded before painting? Are you using a matt or sheen paint?

    You have a point though, I would have issue with this too.
    That or sanding machine groves .. That can happen , the sanding head makes valleys in the finish.

    Its not uncommon, sadly the ceiling would of been perfect with a normal level 3 finish and a cost of USG tuff Hyde .

    Start covering the the whole thing in soft drywall compound and things get complicated..

    sounds drastic but I'd take the ceiling down and re board and tape it as described. Save any more failed attempts at fixing it.

    a sheen paint if used won't help matters imo you want a good Matt with drywall.

    and yes that's a level 5 .. Iv seen worse too but still yours is not good enough.

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    Wow. That is butt ugly. NO-THAT IS NOT LEVEL 5! A level 5 appears flat and smooth and wonderful. Either the initial finisher stripped the nail holes (finished them in linear patterns covering three or four at a time while leaving a sausage shaped hump), or the surface was skimmed out after the finish was applied. And the skimmer left the mud heavy in the center of each swipe of the trowel. It can certainly be fixed. But it will require a very good technician to do so. You would need to reapply mud in the direction of the long shadows and screed it off using a plastering rod or plastering slicker. This will fill in the valleys while not building up the high points. Then a very tight skimout to smooth the surface. Then sanding and touchup. What a mess to fix in a finished home. A spray applied USG pre primer would not have fixed this. That stuff goes on about 20-25 mils thick. And it tends to follow the existing contours of your walls and ceilings. Your problems appear thicker than 20 mills. So a 20 mil piss coat won't fix it. Only a straight edge and a competent finisher will fix that.

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