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    I touched on this in my introduction post, but will do so again in this section. My work mainly consists of metal stud wall and ceiling fixing and grid ceilings on commercial jobs, i have done a fair amount of hand taping, and i do, do house bashing when the need arises, and with the current economic climate could well be doing more houses. the type of houses are small 2-3 bed Barrett type houses. The package will be to board and tape and joint, so my question to you guys is do i, if i get the work carry on hand taping or is it worth getting the machines on such small houses thanks for any advice.

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    You said your main job is partitions and sheeting so do you have enough taping work lined up to justify the cash outlay and can you already use the tools effectively? Its a lot of cash to spend if they will be lying around gathering dust for long periods, so only you will know but they dont earn money lying around unused. As a rule of thumb for housebashing, expect to steam through it and double the production of hand tapers. I would use my tools on 2/3 bed houses and small flats all the time on site work where I can store them in a bucket of water overnight but I wouldnt get them manky to tape a single room on a private house extension with no hose to clean them after use and these type jobs are quicker finished by hand.

    If money is no object and you have steady work - Dig deep and invest in a taping kit.
    Otherwise consider renting some tools or keep taping by hand until you make your mind up?
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    As amestaper mentioned it is fairly heavy outlay if you are only doing three houses, If you are it is definitely worth getting all three boarded and then taping them at the same time, particularly at this time of year it will allow you to work continously without having to wait around for drying time. Generally speaking if you have a month's worth of work on the books your increase in productivity will pay for the tools. It may be an idea to start with a flat box set w/ nailspotter, as that will give you a taste for the increased production and should pay for itself over three houses, then if it looks like you have more work on the books come back for the full set. We have some good specials going on NorthStar at the moment.
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    if you are already hand taping at a decent speed (2+3 bed houses at about 1 and a half days to 2 days) stick with what you know thats probably fast enough for the contractor. But I have found investing in some better than ever tools just for the internals very beneficial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crack filler View Post
    if you are already hand taping at a decent speed (2+3 bed houses at about 1 and a half days to 2 days) stick with what you know thats probably fast enough for the contractor. But I have found investing in some better than ever tools just for the internals very beneficial.
    Did I read your post correctly in that your saying you can hand tape a 2 or 3 bed house in 1 and a half to 2 days?
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    yes walls and ceilings I do work with a lad who I am training but this is about average I'm not trying to be flash, and to be honest its got to be done with the way the prices are at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crack filler View Post
    if you are already hand taping at a decent speed (2+3 bed houses at about 1 and a half days to 2 days) stick with what you know thats probably fast enough for the contractor. But I have found investing in some better than ever tools just for the internals very beneficial.
    welcome !!"crack filler" noticed you said better than ever tools,do ya use a normal corner finisher or the better than ever, seen them in belmore website wondered if there any good, think one and half shift to two days for a 2-3bed house about perfect thats about what we do them in although some taylor wimpey agents still think yer pissing about.

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    Hiya legend I'm on Wimpeys in plymouth at the mo nightmare but I have had worse. I'm using the better than ever combo flusher 2" to wipe the internals out and the 3" corner flusher to finish I use a corner roller on a pole to put the gear on the wall could'nt get on with the mud tubes but to be honest I did'nt give it much time and I do know a lot few tapers who love them, when the pressure is off on one house I will give it another go.

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    Hi,
    It does make sense to have the machines, you may be doing it for the rest of your working life, short of winning the lottery that is!.
    Start with the pump, buy 1 tool at a time and master it. If your hand jointing i would start with pump and corner tool, hand jointing the corners is where a lot of time is spent, Carry on putting the tapes on by hand and use the corner finisher to put the finish on. Its worth getting a corner roller to bed the tapes aswell, having said that, thats about 1000 spent already.

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    Smile machine

    couldnt go back to hand taping now so much faster and better finnish so much easier to sand aswell only time the hands are goin hard at it when plastering now

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    depending on how much work you have ahead of u dictates whether or not to buy machines, but for speed and quality of finish they are hard to beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelly3a View Post
    depending on how much work you have ahead of u dictates whether or not to buy machines, but for speed and quality of finish they are hard to beat.
    I cant argue with that. I hand taped for a long time until I splashed out on tools, there is no comparison in regard to speed nor finish-go on buy the tools-you know you want to -(sorry The _Legend for stealing one of your quotes) lol
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    Like most of above I found the Auto Taping a lot quicker and a better finish, gradually bought all the Auto equipment, we do not do a lot of filling and taping but it has paid for itself, and really easy to use or at least I find it easy to use

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    Worth looking at machines, I would start with a simple set - 7,10 maybe 12" box, handle, pump. for spped it may be worth bedding by hand if that is what you are comfortable with on the flat joints than boxing over with the 10 & 12 box.

    a corner box and 3" head will same time on the internals as well.

    have a look at www.thetapingstore.com/sets for a boxing kit
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