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    Could anyone help me with, Industry standards for snagging?

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    I was always told in the light it was done in what you can see 1metre from wall not lights on nose against wall with halogen lights shining right across
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodmanatee View Post
    Could anyone help me with, Industry standards for snaging?


    i am back on the painting just now ( short term i hope ) had the site manager walking round my house about an inch from the walls with a copper pipe marking the slightest thing, tried explaining to him the conditions i was working in to paint the house ( no power, water wood missing etc ) he just looked at me as if i had horns, i was also told that they were meant to stand a metre away from walls but in my 13 years in the trade ive never came across any body who snaggs a house that way

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    not sure really but in this day and age you gotta satisfy every stupid notion that crosses their mind no matter how stupid otherwise when he takes out his cheque book thats when the fun will start!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodmanatee View Post
    Could anyone help me with, Industry standards for snaging?


    depends how busy the agents are,,,right now you will be pulled for everything because houses arent selling,,,does not matter how good a job you leave at the moment itll never be good enough theve got to make sure they seem like there doing something for there money.when a house does sell you can bet the customer gets a better house now than the ones that were bought three years ago!!!wouldnt take it personal mate.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by crack filler View Post
    I was always told in the light it was done in what you can see 1metre from wall not lights on nose against wall with halogen lights shining right across
    Me too, but that doesn't stop them walking around with halogen lights. Is it writen down anywhere in some thing offical?

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    There is a pre defined spec on board finish that exists in the US dependent on what level of drywall finish your clients want and pays for. I think the Level 5 specifies no deviations or dings noticable with a 500 watt bulb at about 1 metre away from the wall.

    Have a read at the 3 links below for more information.

    http://www.nationalgypsum.com/resour...evisiting.aspx
    http://www.tapingandjointing.com/for...do=file&id=225
    http://www.tapingandjointing.com/for...do=file&id=210
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    From a recent bill of quantities. http://www.tapingandjointing.com/for...do=file&id=226
    Take note of sections 650 and 671 on page 10 in case you have any disputes.

    and you should have an answer for every comment by a snidey cock with a halogen light.




    LEVEL OF DRY LINING ACROSS JOINTS

    - Sudden irregularities : Not permitted

    - Joint deviations : Measure from faces of adjacent boards using methods and straightedges (450 mm long with feet/pads) to BS 8212, clause 3.3.5.

    - Tapered edge joints : Permissable deviation (maximum) across joints when measured with feet resting on boards : 3mm

    - External angles : Permissable deviation (maximum) for both faces : 4mm

    - Internal angles : Permissable deviation (maximum) for both faces : 5mm

    TAPED SEAMLESS FINISH TO PLASTERBOARD

    - Lightly sand cut edged of boards to remove paper burns

    - Fill all joints, gaps and internal angles with joint compound and cover with continous lengths of tape, fully bedded. Reinforce external angles, stop ends, etc with the specified bead / corner tape.

    - When set, cover the joint with compound, feathered out to give a flush, smooth, seamless surface.

    - Spot nail / screw depressions with joint compound to give a flush surface.

    - Fill minor indents. After joint, angle and spotting treatments have dried, lightly sand to remove any minor imperfections.

    - Apply specified primer / sealer to give a continuous consistent texture to surface of boards.
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    We did a 113 bedroom travelodge last year in Maidstone, and the painters were snagging with halogen lights across the walls. It was mental, you are suppose to snag at arms length in natural light.
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    some painters are a nightmare they seem to get on and pre fill any skimming but as soon as they get on taping they want an impossible finish

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    Quote Originally Posted by crack filler View Post
    some painters are a nightmare they seem to get on and pre fill any skimming but as soon as they get on taping they want an impossible finish
    I for one do not touch bad plasterwork ie sand trowel marks fill misses etc. I will admit though if I have not done the taping then I tend to expect a finish that I would leave, but then again nobody is perfect-me included! Having said that if the taping in general is not that bad we would do the titivating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deck View Post
    I for one do not touch bad plasterwork ie sand trowel marks fill misses etc. I will admit though if I have not done the taping then I tend to expect a finish that I would leave, but then again nobody is perfect-me included! Having said that if the taping in general is not that bad we would do the titivating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodmanatee View Post
    Could anyone help me with, Industry standards for snaging?
    You need a copy of BS 8212-1995 Drylining & Partitioning using gypsum plasterboard.

    http://www.tapingandjointing.com/for...do=file&id=275

    If you need any advice then pm me as I have had many a battle with main contractors over this and won

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    it should be 5 feet,or five paces toe to toe back from the wall,with a light shining on the wall,(halogen or 150 incandescent) but if you can make your work pass with a light shinning down the wall,then you will never fail that test.
    ask that question on DT,goodmatee,but we don't call it snaging,,,,,,,curios

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    The job i am on just now has a level of snagging i have never seen before. they expect the walls to be like glass,yet they dont snag the sheeting?????? As the houses are lying empty they keep going over and over them, the woodwork gets it as well,there will be facings and cills in these houses that will have had several coats by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2buck View Post
    it should be 5 feet,or five paces toe to toe back from the wall,with a light shining on the wall,(halogen or 150 incandescent) but if you can make your work pass with a light shinning down the wall,then you will never fail that test.
    ask that question on DT,goodmatee,but we don't call it snaging,,,,,,,curios
    What do you call it then 2 buck? And I will ask the question.

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    I think they call it the punch list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMC View Post
    The job i am on just now has a level of snagging i have never seen before. they expect the walls to be like glass,yet they dont snag the sheeting?????? As the houses are lying empty they keep going over and over them, the woodwork gets it as well,there will be facings and cills in these houses that will have had several coats by now.
    Persimmon by any chance? was on 1 of their sites for a couple of months there and every morning the painter was getting sent back into the same houses to touch up walls here there and everywhere. Agents trying to justify their money. I always thought it was 1 metre from the wall, no visible defects, now we have agents going round rooms like spiderman, feeling the walls all over!
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    I guess what your snaging is what we call touch ups,,,or maybe I'm lost here in the slang.your asking what type of standard is there for your work to pass before they can send you back to fix stuff.....right. (after they have primed the walls)
    another thing I should add,amestaper posted it,the dry wall level,,,,level 4 is with a light shining AT the wall,if they start shining the light down the wall,and do close up eye inspections,then someone is looking for FREE level 5 work IMO.
    plus;main goal of the taper is to hide the joints,fasteners, etc...with no taping errors,knicks and dings are not our baby

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    Snagging, touch ups same difference.
    Most the site agents are unaware of the level system, expecting a glass finish on everything.
    Every manufacturer of drylining systems has different ways of apparoaching it, We need a industry standard that applies to everyone, everywhere!

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